More than 400 schools in France to be closed on Monday as more protests planned
More than 400 schools in France to be closed on Monday as more protests planned
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More than 400 schools in France to be closed on Monday as more protests planned
Already closed at 10h here in Bordeaux.
There was an intelligence report on the left activity behind the students. It showed that political forces were riding the wave, but there was absolutely no activism and hijacking from the left. However, there also are documented moments where policemen were acting as agent provocateur against the riot police just to make things worse and justify the riot police being ultra violent.
The authorities are talking like autocratic regimes in those type of protests
America should be watching this closely for hints, tricks and tips. The French know how to protest. Marie Antoinette would agree.
Give them an history book about the class strugle in the United States ; workers union, strikes... American knew how to fight for their rights. Some of them surely still know.
I hate to be an American exceptionalist here, but I don't think America needs tips and tricks for protesting. I think that the American public is less likely to support a protest than the public of other countries, and I think the American government is much better at and far more willing to do violence against a protest movement than other governments. Additionally, the American people have less resources if they get injured or are unable to work because of injury or arrest resulting from a protest.
I'm not saying other governments aren't doing violence, clearly they are and these protesters are extremely brave for being willing to do this, but American authorities, especially under the current administration, are a different beast, and at least half of the public will likely be on their side.
Geez, things must be really bad when teenagers start violently protesting, and wanting more school.
yeah, They can not vote, they can not strike. So they just block their own studying place in solidarity with the teachers.
They want more teachers, they want classes that are insulated from heat and cold (they had to get to school and "study and learn" under 35°C, and 8°C in the winter) They want the end of the "automated" sortage system (parcoursup) that will impact their lives.
Mainstream media only show burning trashcan. The large majority is very very peaceful. They chant the national hymn. Still police is violent against fucking children, gazing them, arresting some of them without justification just to break morale, strangling them, charging them, accelerating with a car through them while gazing by the windows.
and that is happening while the "yellow jacket" movement is coming back. election are coming in six months so the elite are hoping that will call people down... but it is not likely.
addendum: the justice minister, the police minister and the education minister had a reunion about "stopping the movement dead in the tracks" not like "finding solution", or trying to understand. So take every number with a grain of salt and i recommend watching independent media like Mediapart.
At least one kid lost an eye and another lost a hand I think
Oh and don't forget about Jordan Bardella, our likely future prime minister should the far-right win the 2027 elections, sitting back watching the media hating on school children rather than talking about the most vile antisemitic texts he wrote when he was a teen that were uncovered by independant media
Protester that are complaining about low salaries for teachers are attacking... teachers?
Something does not add up here.
Probably agent provocateurs
Low salaries for teachers mean that they don't attract dedicated professionals and the quality of teaching is bad. You can want well paid, good teachers and simultaneously hate the bad teachers you have right now. And of course each time there's widespread protests, you'll get a small amount of people who are only there for the violence.
The violent people being there just for the violence, not caring about the stated goals is what I wanted to point out.
As for hating the bad teachers, I agree and realized this when writing my comment. Still, I find it hard to believe all current teachers are bad or that the protesters know which are the bad ones to attack.
And as pointed out already, attacking teachers definitely does not make teaching an attractive career choice. So it's likely counterproductive even if the attacked teacher was one of the "bad ones".
Plus, how bad of a teacher would you have to be to justify a violent attack?
Oh yeah, it should go without saying, attacking teachers is wrong, counterproductive and unjustified no matter how good or bad they are at their job. That being said, underpaid, overworked, unmotivated and underqualified teachers have a higher likelihood to have students just itching for a chance to unload all their frustrations. It's just unsurprising is all I wanted to say.
There are documented agressions by policemen to justify violence against the protesters. One was even caught throwing stones at riot police by an elected official, the guy ran to his cop friends and the prosecutor stated je was doing normal policing....
You know what else doesn't attract dedicated professionals to teaching positions? Attacking teachers.
People don't choose profession based purely on salaries. They also want good work environment. No person will think "yes, this teacher was hurt by students but he was bad at his job. I'm I will be fine".
And yes, the government is the one responsible for creating good job conditions for teachers by ensuring good infrastructure and proper staffing but teachers will tell you that kids are not exactly getting easier to work with. "Bad teachers" argument is pure victim blaming.
At what point did I say that attacking teachers is justified? I said wanting well paid teachers and hating cheap teachers can coexist and aren't "suspicious" as the OP comment implied.
Right here. You claim that attacking bad teachers is consistent with the goals of the protesters. Saying that only tiny fraction of students attacked teachers and it's not a valid part of the protests is one thing. Claiming that students are right to hate their teachers is justifying the attacks.
Saying it's right and saying it's not surprising are two entirely different things.
I think the argument was more about if it's aligned with the goals of the protests or if it's counterproductive, not if it's morally right but I guess we're just arguing over semantics at this point and will not get anywhere.
There is a lot of inequality.
It is not like "based on the number of students you have, you will have to equality share X amount of €"
Some school are "prestigious" so they have a lot more money from the government and from rich parents that can pay for it.
The lowest income school in paris have a lot more than the highest income school in saint-denis (poor city). The problem ? France is a Republic, with a devise that is "freedom, equality, fraternity"
So when rich student "strike" in solidarity (yes it happen, they remember they are human) rich teachers are against that. One could also argue about abuses in the teachers staff.
And obviously, raging people are gonna rage and see any figure of power as an enemy.
So long story short, it is complex but very marginal. The mainstream media in france is owned by 5 billionaires. So yes, EVERY LITTLE THING that you will hear about will be detrimental to the movement. It was the same with the yellow jacket that comes back tomorrow if my info is right.
remember what students (and teachers) want, they are asking for it for month and you only hear about it because they make noises!
they want more teachers that have a correct salary, more staff, the end of a discriminatory "automated" sorting system (parcoursup). They want school that are insulated and do not fall apart.
WoW ! They are asking so much ? what do you mean they do not have that yet ?
Talk about the violence to be slowly cooked day after day for weeks at 35°C and yeah, you will develop a political consciousness very fast.
Sure, assuming slight criticism/questioning of something means I am completely opposed to anything and everything even slightly related is normal these days.
But trying to justify a teacher being doused in gasoline for having a high salary in is another level of disgusting.
I hadn't actually seen why the protests were happening. Makes sense now
This is the story:
Report on that. The story of the violent left? That is "he said-she said" stuff. Sure, you gotta quote the politicians. He was talking about one school, not the entire movement.
Report on the cop that was caught dressed in blackbloc throwing a bottle at the police in Reims. Report on the staff at the school in Nantes who say the people that started the fire weren't from the school. Report about how in 1990 the students went on strike for similar reasons, except the police didn't gas them or arrest 5000 in a week. What about the so-called student-rep that works for Attal?
The violent stuff is a story too. Burning schools and firetrucks is too much. But, the demands of the students should be presented in full. Even just explaining the online application system... It does not work. It is garbage. It is reason alone to strike.
hey, students aren't allowed to have legitimate grievances, they're students. i read on bullshitmedia that the students were protesting because they were given American cheese
Don’t ask statu quo media to do their job. They don’t like that