Putler has been threatening this since the start of the war.
Archangel13137
Sounds like somebuddy about to find out what Article 5 is for.
BigDanishGuy2
I thought Russia was tired of "finding out" and yet here they go "fucking around" again
ChristchurchAsshole15via worldnews@lemmy.ml
Do it. Close both straits and shut down the global economy at the same time. This life sucks and it's getting worse. Just put the economy out of its misery, cheers! We'll rebuild from the ashes.
eldavi4
not if those ashes are radioactive.
Sandouq_Dyatha4
more arms to build with
Malica1
There fundamental flaws to accelerationism.
Buhbyelittlegumshoe7via worldnews@lemmy.ml
Russia will bomb US military industrial complex donation centers, Foreign Minister says
Iusedtobeanalien4
Are these the same weapons of mass destruction factories NATO used to arm it's jihadi militias in Syria, Iraq and Libya
CyberMonkey4037via worldnews@lemmy.ml
Rubbish. Not while Russian government officials, capitalists and TV propagandists all have real estate, children and Bank accounts in Europe
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆3
Which Russian government officials have any investments in Europe at this point?
CyberMonkey4031
Yelena Mizulina comes to mind
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆2
Do you see her as a major driving force in Russian politics that would decide whether there would be strikes on Europe though?
CyberMonkey4031
I see her as a major talking head and thus an indicator for ruling class' opinions
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆1
The ruling class isn't homogeneous though. You have people who built their wealth on the relationship with Europe, but now a lot of the ties are largely cut. And trade with the Global South is now replacing it. So, you have a new group of capitalists who are not interested in Europe in the slightest, and even see resumption of trade with Europe as a threat to the niches they occupy. I don't think the actions Russia is currently taking suggest that she represents the capitalists who are in the ascendant right now.
leriotdelac1
You'd be surprised. Putin's children are raised in Switzerland, and I bet their life is not funded by a hardworking mother.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆3
I don't know if you've been living in a cave for the past 4 years, but relations between Russia and Europe aren't what they used to be. Also, are you suggesting that rich people in Russia can't live well without needing Europe?
leriotdelac-2
I've been a Russian living in Europe and I follow the news closely both from European and Russian independent media. The cash flow is complicated, but it exists, and Russian oligarchs/politicians still own property and support their families in Europe, even if they are suctioned themselves.
Also, it's not a reason for Putin not to attack anyone if thar would feed his ego and help to keep his position.
☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆3
It's pretty clear that the economic gravity in Russia has shifted towards the Global South at this point. So, in terms of political influence, Europe is largely irrelevant now because over the past four years there plenty of new businesses filling the niches left by decoupling from the west. It's in their interest to ensure western competition doesn't come back. And today they have far more influence in politics than a handful of people who still have any financial ties to Europe.
nibbler2via worldnews@lemmy.ml
Russia says a lot of things, but they increasingly fail at projecting power. There are few red lines left.
MaxLemminist0
Keep talking that macho talk and throwing rocks while living in glass houses.
nibbler-5
I mean, sovereign states are seemingly a potential military target, so who would have thought that includes weapons factories.
m5322
Which sovereign states?
Gazza_of_the_Overflow1
Moldova, Ukraine, The Baltic States, Europe as a whole...
RiverRock2
The whole damn world! The rooskies are gonna attack everybody cause they're orcs!
m5322
But are those sovereign?
WoodScientist1
m5322
"Ukraine gov is totally not a puppet of usa, I'll prove it with some unrelated idiotic comic"
Libs don't know how proof works
"Waah my narrative is failing, quick lets do another cia talking point"
nibbler0
Even if it was, which is obv BS, puppet states are fair game? Asking for a friend.
Putler has been threatening this since the start of the war.
Sounds like somebuddy about to find out what Article 5 is for.
I thought Russia was tired of "finding out" and yet here they go "fucking around" again
Do it. Close both straits and shut down the global economy at the same time. This life sucks and it's getting worse. Just put the economy out of its misery, cheers! We'll rebuild from the ashes.
not if those ashes are radioactive.
more arms to build with
There fundamental flaws to accelerationism.
Russia will bomb US military industrial complex donation centers, Foreign Minister says
Are these the same weapons of mass destruction factories NATO used to arm it's jihadi militias in Syria, Iraq and Libya
Rubbish. Not while Russian government officials, capitalists and TV propagandists all have real estate, children and Bank accounts in Europe
Which Russian government officials have any investments in Europe at this point?
Yelena Mizulina comes to mind
Do you see her as a major driving force in Russian politics that would decide whether there would be strikes on Europe though?
I see her as a major talking head and thus an indicator for ruling class' opinions
The ruling class isn't homogeneous though. You have people who built their wealth on the relationship with Europe, but now a lot of the ties are largely cut. And trade with the Global South is now replacing it. So, you have a new group of capitalists who are not interested in Europe in the slightest, and even see resumption of trade with Europe as a threat to the niches they occupy. I don't think the actions Russia is currently taking suggest that she represents the capitalists who are in the ascendant right now.
You'd be surprised. Putin's children are raised in Switzerland, and I bet their life is not funded by a hardworking mother.
I don't know if you've been living in a cave for the past 4 years, but relations between Russia and Europe aren't what they used to be. Also, are you suggesting that rich people in Russia can't live well without needing Europe?
I've been a Russian living in Europe and I follow the news closely both from European and Russian independent media. The cash flow is complicated, but it exists, and Russian oligarchs/politicians still own property and support their families in Europe, even if they are suctioned themselves. Also, it's not a reason for Putin not to attack anyone if thar would feed his ego and help to keep his position.
It's pretty clear that the economic gravity in Russia has shifted towards the Global South at this point. So, in terms of political influence, Europe is largely irrelevant now because over the past four years there plenty of new businesses filling the niches left by decoupling from the west. It's in their interest to ensure western competition doesn't come back. And today they have far more influence in politics than a handful of people who still have any financial ties to Europe.
Russia says a lot of things, but they increasingly fail at projecting power. There are few red lines left.
Keep talking that macho talk and throwing rocks while living in glass houses.
I mean, sovereign states are seemingly a potential military target, so who would have thought that includes weapons factories.
Which sovereign states?
Moldova, Ukraine, The Baltic States, Europe as a whole...
The whole damn world! The rooskies are gonna attack everybody cause they're orcs!
But are those sovereign?
"Ukraine gov is totally not a puppet of usa, I'll prove it with some unrelated idiotic comic"
Libs don't know how proof works
"Waah my narrative is failing, quick lets do another cia talking point"
Even if it was, which is obv BS, puppet states are fair game? Asking for a friend.